Todd Cordell: On Calgary's rumored interest in Barrie and the search for a hockey deal

Absolutely no to Barry he is made of glass. Much rather Dumba

Gio first on the ice at the morning skate

But what would Calgary package for Palms?

Absolutely no to Barry he is made of glass. Much rather Dumba
- pzoxic

And just who do you propose we give up to get Dumba?
Dumba 4 years remaining @ AAV $6.0M
Barrie UFA after this season $2.75M ($5.5M AAV, but Avs retained $2.75M)

Would Dumba be the better player? Absolutely.
However, the acquisition cost would be prohibitive, especially now that they've gone 6-3-1 in their last 10 and are in the Wildcard mix. They are hot on the heels of Calgary, Winnipeg, Arizona, Nashville and have games in-hand on all of them.

"IF", this trade idea did come to fruition, think of it like Todd said, adding a PP1 specialist. He wouldn't need to take on the defensive minutes 5-on-5 that Hamonic provides. It would require someone to pick up the PK time Hammer played, but we're getting that now in his absence.

Barrie would slot in the 3rd pairing 5-on-5.

Gio-Brodie
Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Barrie

Or

Gio-Andersson
Brodie-Stone
Hanifin-Barrie

And just who do you propose we give up to get Dumba?
Dumba 4 years remaining @ AAV $6.0M
Barrie UFA after this season $2.75M ($5.5M AAV, but Avs retained $2.75M)

Would Dumba be the better player? Absolutely.
However, the acquisition cost would be prohibitive, especially now that they've gone 6-3-1 in their last 10 and are in the Wildcard mix. They are hot on the heels of Calgary, Winnipeg, Arizona, Nashville and have games in-hand on all of them.

"IF", this trade idea did come to fruition, think of it like Todd said, adding a PP1 specialist. He wouldn't need to take on the defensive minutes 5-on-5 that Hamonic provides. It would require someone to pick up the PK time Hammer played, but we're getting that now in his absence.

Barrie would slot in the 3rd pairing 5-on-5.

Gio-Brodie
Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Barrie

Or

Gio-Andersson
Brodie-Stone
Hanifin-Barrie
- InSutterWeTrust

Here's a sobering thought as we look at the standings this morning & see us out of the wildcard spot & two teams below us with the games in hand to pass us.

Of the last 10 games (including tonight) 8 of them were/are against non playoff teams. Vanc & Boston are the only two that occupied a playoff position. We went 4-5 & if we lose tonight well.........yikes!!!

The next 11 are all against teams that are in & fighting for their playoff lives.
Why are we buying anything at this point?????

Barrie for Brodie....seriously.....Id rather keep Brodie as better the devil you know & he's been playing pretty good of late. Maybe we should be packaging Brodie & Talbot for one of their 1sts & maybe that Suzuki kid or we can add something like Czarnik & get Bean out of them.

Need some intellectual honesty here by Management.

And just who do you propose we give up to get Dumba?
Dumba 4 years remaining @ AAV $6.0M
Barrie UFA after this season $2.75M ($5.5M AAV, but Avs retained $2.75M)

Would Dumba be the better player? Absolutely.
However, the acquisition cost would be prohibitive, especially now that they've gone 6-3-1 in their last 10 and are in the Wildcard mix. They are hot on the heels of Calgary, Winnipeg, Arizona, Nashville and have games in-hand on all of them.

"IF", this trade idea did come to fruition, think of it like Todd said, adding a PP1 specialist. He wouldn't need to take on the defensive minutes 5-on-5 that Hamonic provides. It would require someone to pick up the PK time Hammer played, but we're getting that now in his absence.

Barrie would slot in the 3rd pairing 5-on-5.

Gio-Brodie
Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Ba
Or

Gio-Andersson
Brodie-Stone
Hanifin-Barrie
- InSutterWeTrust

i didn’t say trade for Dumba. But to give up haminic or Brody up for for Barry!! Why? Brody Is basically the same player. And haminic wouldn’t trade him at all,he is the exact player we want for the playoffs. Don’t really understand why everyone wants to trade the guy all he does is give a100% every shift!! And I think he wants to totally stay in cowtown and for a discount.

Gotta ask yourself why is Toronto offering up Barrie? Why would Calgary even considering him? So someone else doesn’t get him!
If this is the intellectual insight of this management team then fire them all!

Sell off the ufas, get some picks and prospects. Make a team chemistry trade in the summer. This team is broken!

Change for the better not just because.

I don’t see why Toronto would be interested in Brodie. Might be better defensively but his skill is still offence. Also considering the beating he takes from our fans from time to time I wouldn’t want him in Toronto where it’s way worse if you make a mistake. Also in any case Toronto would have to give up more than they’d probably want to anyway given that we would probably need to retain salary and how much Barrie’s value has dropped.

On a side note I would say Brodie will be the player to watch for us tonight. Brodie’s a local boy and in the past there’s been 1 or 2 coach buses from his home town bringing people over. And that’s not including the friends and family that drive themselves.

Sell, We just went up against a bunch of easier teams and we did not step up.

I don’t see why Toronto would be interested in Brodie. Might be better defensively but his skill is still offence. Also considering the beating he takes from our fans from time to time I wouldn’t want him in Toronto where it’s way worse if you make a mistake. Also in any case Toronto would have to give up more than they’d probably want to anyway given that we would probably need to retain salary and how much Barrie’s value has dropped.

On a side note I would say Brodie will be the player to watch for us tonight. Brodie’s a local boy and in the past there’s been 1 or 2 coach buses from his home town bringing people over. And that’s not including the friends and family that drive themselves.
- RedC21

Went to the last game the Flames played in the Joe and saw a bunch of Brodie's family with his name on their Jerseys. Detroit is a lot cheaper than Toronto for a group of 7.

Here's a sobering thought as we look at the standings this morning & see us out of the wildcard spot & two teams below us with the games in hand to pass us.

Of the last 10 games (including tonight) 8 of them were/are against non playoff teams. Vanc & Boston are the only two that occupied a playoff position. We went 4-5 & if we lose tonight well.........yikes!!!

The next 11 are all against teams that are in & fighting for their playoff lives.
Why are we buying anything at this point?????

Barrie for Brodie....seriously.....Id rather keep Brodie as better the devil you know & he's been playing pretty good of late. Maybe we should be packaging Brodie & Talbot for one of their 1sts & maybe that Suzuki kid or we can add something like Czarnik & get Bean out of them.

Need some intellectual honesty here by Management.
- Kevin R

First, I agree that this team has lacked consistency all year, and that is no recipe for success. However, last year, they were consistent as hell all year and then $#1+ the bed once the play-offs started. They hold their own fate in their hands with 8 "four-point" games against teams they're battling for play-off spots with. I'd rather they have to fight to get into the play-offs and be in the right mind set heading into the play-offs than coasting in. Like last year, unprepared for battle level.

Second, I am diametrically opposed to trading Brodie. I didn't suggest it.

Third, you want intellectual honesty. How about the Flames Ownership is tired of the team not playing play-off games which enable them to recoup some of their spending to the cap year after year. They just committed to spend $275M of their money to build a building that the city owns, and also to remain for 35 years. Brad Treliving has a mandate to make the play-offs; they will not be selling. Any core changes. Will be made in the off-season.

i didn’t say trade for Dumba. But to give up haminic or Brody up for for Barry!! Why? Brody Is basically the same player. And haminic wouldn’t trade him at all,he is the exact player we want for the playoffs. Don’t really understand why everyone wants to trade the guy all he does is give a100% every shift!! And I think he wants to totally stay in cowtown and for a discount.
- pzoxic

Sorry Bro but you are wrong about Hamonic wanting to sign for a discount & staying in Cowtown. They tried to negotiate last July & they were so far apart Hamonic shut down negotiations & said he wouldnt talk contract during the season. Im not making that up either. Brodie & his style of game will age better than Hamonic. Hamonic is already slowing down big time. They did some wowy numbers for the likes of Hanifin & Brodie & the other D on Flames Nation & Hanifins numbers are way better when paired with Andersson as compared to Hamonic. Thing is Brodie is doing better without Gio as compared to being with Gio interesting enough. I think Hanifin & Andersson should be paired together in our top 4 next year & I would like to see how these two guys do together before trading Hanifin. Then I'd like to get a nasty Dman in the offseason. If we can get Brodie to sign a 4 year deal at around 4.5 mmill per then Id be cool with that.

First, I agree that this team has lacked consistency all year, and that is no recipe for success. However, last year, they were consistent as hell all year and then $#1+ the bed once the play-offs started. They hold their own fate in their hands with 8 "four-point" games against teams they're battling for play-off spots with. I'd rather they have to fight to get into the play-offs and be in the right mind set heading into the play-offs than coasting in. Like last year, unprepared for battle level.

Second, I am diametrically opposed to trading Brodie. I didn't suggest it.

Third, you want intellectual honesty. How about the Flames Ownership is tired of the team not playing play-off games which enable them to recoup some of their spending to the cap year after year. They just committed to spend $275M of their money to build a building that the city owns, and also to remain for 35 years. Brad Treliving has a mandate to make the play-offs; they will not be selling. Any core changes. Will be made in the off-season.
- InSutterWeTrust

Fair enough but one thing I would argue is that the cap is set up as a revenue share with the players. So really, teams that dont spend to the cap are short changing their fans. JMO.

i didn’t say trade for Dumba. But to give up haminic or Brody up for for Barry!! Why? Brody Is basically the same player. And haminic wouldn’t trade him at all,he is the exact player we want for the playoffs. Don’t really understand why everyone wants to trade the guy all he does is give a100% every shift!! And I think he wants to totally stay in cowtown and for a discount.
- pzoxic

You're statement implied that you'd prefer to trade for Dumba, and as he's signed for the next 3 years after this season, there's no other way to acquire him.

I don't particularly want to move Hamonic either, but in a deal with TO for Barrie, I'd hope there would be more involved including a forward. Barrie would simply be an NHL level replacement who could add a dimension to the Flames (PP QB) that could be helpful. We don't get enough shots through from the point.

What information do you have that Hamonic intends to stay in Calgary on a value deal that's team friendly in term and dollars?

Went to the last game the Flames played in the Joe and saw a bunch of Brodie's family with his name on their Jerseys. Detroit is a lot cheaper than Toronto for a group of 7.
- DuranDuran

I’m going to tonight’s game, 70 bucks U.S 4 rows from the ice in the wings end. After all fees it came to about $110 Canadian each. Not cheap but in comparison to everywhere else it’s a bargain.

Fair enough but one thing I would argue is that the cap is set up as a revenue share with the players. So really, teams that dont spend to the cap are short changing their fans. JMO.
- Kevin R

The problem with the salary cap is how it is mis-understood. When they estimate revenue for the upcoming year, they don't set the upper limit of the cap as an expectation for every team to meet. If every team spent to the ceiling, the players would be guaranteed to lose most of the money held in escrow, because the revenues would not justify the player salaries. There's a scary cap range for a reason. The actual revenue estimate is calculated and they derive the average per team from that and set the upper and lower limits from that. Certainly, most fan bases want their team to spend to the upper limit, and players intend to sign contracts that reflect what the team has available up to the cap ceiling, but the reality is that some teams have to spend less or the players will receive more than the CBA allows for as 50% partners, and the owners will claw back their portion from escrow.

I’m going to tonight’s game, 70 bucks U.S 4 rows from the ice in the wings end. After all fees it came to about $110 Canadian each. Not cheap but in comparison to everywhere else it’s a bargain.
- RedC21

That’s great value! Spend that on beer when I go to games.

That’s great value! Spend that on beer when I go to games.
- K-man25

How about Talbot for Niederreitor?

That’s great value! Spend that on beer when I go to games.
- K-man25

Or how about a real hockey trade with Leafs Janko & Hanifin for Barrie & Nylander?

Or how about a real hockey trade with Leafs Janko & Hanifin for Barrie & Nylander?

- Kevin R

Nylander is a right shot so

Or how about a real hockey trade with Leafs Janko & Hanifin for Barrie & Nylander?

- Kevin R

Janko and Hanifan for Dumba!
Brodie for Kapanen

Or how about a real hockey trade with Leafs Janko & Hanifin for Barrie & Nylander?

- Kevin R

Yes please

Athanasiou pulled from game tonight... Green as well.

Athanasiou pulled from game tonight... Green as well.
- Clyde334

Edmonton?